personally i think that you made a good choice by picking magic and protection.

as far as "most powerful spellcaster" goes... don't dis on clerics... it's all in how you look at things. personally, playing a cleric i feel gives a major benefit over the wizards and sorcerors in the form of hitpoints and armor class.

you havn't really seen what corwin was capeable of as a first level celeric, let alone fourth. (ainsley, it's your turn i belive)

Kewl - I'll go with the WIS point and go with Protection and Magic.

You'll be going with the new spelling for her name as well, I take it?

Also, hi there!

LOL! Sorry, I kinda took it for granted. Yeah, Sylvea all the way!

And a good Hello to back to you.

*jots everything down*

Alas, I have to go to work now. But for now you can invest Sylvea's 1,061 Gold in a few knick-knacks to help her get through the day (don't forget to scroll all the way down to the bottom; Sylvea has her own extra selection of special items that she can choose from and buy before play starts). And she still has 24 Skill Points to invest in various useful Skills as well; don't forget that cross-class skills (skills not listed under the Cleric's list of Class Skills) cost more.

And, if you want, you might as well pick her bonus language while you're in that thread. Don't forget that Sylvea already knows Common and Elven by default, and she gets to pick one more. Being a cleric, Celestial, Infernal and Abyssal would be permissable choices (especially if she has reason to routinely interact with angels, demons or other Outsiders). But she still can't pick Draconic or Druidic.

If you have any questions, I'll be back tomorrow morning (or evening, or whatever it is in Australia). Cheers.

Kewl thanks! I'll have a look see and go on a shopping spree!!!

Okay, I think this is what I want so far. I may have gone overboard, but I love shopping!!

Staff of Northern Cross
Silvered Dagger
Studded leather armor (standard)
Cleric's Vestments
Explorers outfit
Backpack
Chalk x 3
Flint + steel
Ink quill x 3
Ink x 2
Lantern (hooded)
Oil x 2
Paper x 10
Belt pouch x 2
50' rope
Scroll case x 2
Soap
Vial x 5
Waterskin
Healer's Kit
Spell component Pouch
Wizard's Spell Book
Horse (light)
Saddle (pack)
Red Garnet (marble)
Small rose onyx
Crystal Bead
Fan
Platinum Rings (I don't know if I need these as one of my domain's is Protection?)
Diamond dust (S)
Diamond dust (M)
Pouch of Sulphur
Turtle shell (again the question with Protection as with the diamond dusts)


I don't know if I should add the Skull Goblet (as her Unholy Item)...

I believe (if I did the sums correctly) that leaves me with 347G.

As for my Language: I'll go with Abyssal. I figure since she's a disciple of Evening Glory with a Goul - that might be best. Or Infernal. But I'll go with Abyssal.

As for skills: If I've done it right, it should look like this:

Concentration: +2
Craft: +2
Diplomacy: +2
Heal: +2
Knowledge (Arcana): +2
Knowledge (Religion): +1
Profession: +1
Scry: +2
Spellcraft: +2

Disable Device: +1 (+2)
Hide: +1 (+2)
Intuit Direction: +1 (+2)
Sense Motive: +1 (+2)

Okay, I was sure that I'd replied to this, but apparently I didn't. At any rate, I'll be double-checking Wraith's math once more tonight (though I didn't really see anything wrong the first glance through; I presume that the numbers in parentheses for Sylvea's cross-class skills represent the total cost in Skill Points), then I'll throw up the pogs I've made for her; pick one and we'll be ready to start straight away.

Clerics need far fewer spell components than wizards and sorcerers do. The majority of cleric spells demand little more than the cleric's holy symbol to serve as the Divine Focus when casting a spell (speaking of which, Sylvea seems to be missing a holy symbol...). Of course, this creates a liability: if the cleric's holy symbol is lost, stolen or destroyed, it can be even more crippling than a lost spellbook can be for a wizard. For this reason, some clerics carry multiple holy symbols, just in case one is lost. Evening Glory's holy symbols typically include the spread hand with the heart-shaped hole through the palm, a symbol of the love through loss which the goddess represents. And, of course, silver holy symbols cost more than those made from wood or comparable materials, but silver does have an extra benefit or two as one would expect with such a cost.

Also, don't forget to choose the specifics for Sylvea's Craft and Profession skills...Craft (Carpentry), Profession (Stablehand), Craft (Gemcutting), Profession (Mortician), Craft (Pottery), Profession (Apothecary)...what-have-you. The difference is mostly that Craft converts raw materials into useful or valuable goods, while the value of Professions lies more in their immaterial services. Corwin over there has Profession (Sailor); he doesn't actually make or produce anything as a seaman, but when it's time to keep the ship from smashing into the rocky shores as a violent sea storm rages through the heavens, it's a very welcome skill to have.

These Skills may reflect Sylvea's own trade or lifestyle before she was compelled to join Evening Glory's church, most likely through her sister's tragic death, of course; Sylvea may be evil, but even evil people can know great love...or love may be what drives the rare tragic figure towards evil in the first place. Whatever she was or is should be reflected in her Skills, including Craft and Profession.

Make 'em rock.


Also, Drakon and SEAMUS, post a little something here. We're waiting for your call!

What are you waiting on me for? I thought I was done and waiting for your starting post.

Do I only choose one Craft and Profession? ( I had a feeling I needed to - but I let you pick up on it anyway)

Also, do you want me to come up with a backstory for her, or are you going to do that?

If only one: I choose: Craft (I can't remember what its called: but something like forest tracking, or something... guh!! its pissing me off. Erm... you know like a forest guide's set of skills.)
Profession (Hunter)

OH and I was sure I added her Unholy Symbol. (one of her special ones - The blackened Skull goblet....)

actually wraith, craft would be more like fletcher, armorer, blacksmith, chef ect not tracker (especially since tracking isn't a skill but a feat)

I think the skill you may be thinking of is the cross class skill "survival"

SURVIVAL (WIS)
Check: You can keep yourself and others safe and fed in the wild. The table below gives the DCs for various tasks that require Survival checks.
Survival does not allow you to follow difficult tracks unless you are a ranger or have the Track feat (see the Restriction section below).

Survival DC Task
10 Get along in the wild. Move up to one-half your overland speed while hunting and foraging (no food or water supplies needed). You can provide food and water for one other person for every 2 points by which your check result exceeds 10.
15 Gain a +2 bonus on all Fortitude saves against severe weather while moving up to one-half your overland speed, or gain a +4 bonus if you remain stationary. You may grant the same bonus to one other character for every 1 point by which your Survival check result exceeds 15.
15 Keep from getting lost or avoid natural hazards, such as quicksand.
15 Predict the weather up to 24 hours in advance. For every 5 points by which your Survival check result exceeds 15, you can predict the weather for one additional day in advance.
Varies Follow tracks (see the Track feat).

Action: Varies. A single Survival check may represent activity over the course of hours or a full day. A Survival check made to find tracks is at least a full-round action, and it may take even longer.
Try Again: Varies. For getting along in the wild or for gaining the Fortitude save bonus noted in the table above, you make a Survival check once every 24 hours. The result of that check applies until the next check is made. To avoid getting lost or avoid natural hazards, you make a Survival check whenever the situation calls for one. Retries to avoid getting lost in a specific situation or to avoid a specific natural hazard are not allowed. For finding tracks, you can retry a failed check after 1 hour (outdoors) or 10 minutes(indoors) of searching.
Restriction: While anyone can use Survival to find tracks (regardless of the DC), or to follow tracks when the DC for the task is 10 or lower, only a ranger (or a character with the Track feat) can use Survival to follow tracks when the task has a higher DC.
Special: If you have 5 or more ranks in Survival, you can automatically determine where true north lies in relation to yourself.
A ranger gains a bonus on Survival checks when using this skill to find or follow the tracks of a favored enemy.
If you have the Self-Sufficient feat, you get a +2 bonus on Survival checks.
Synergy: If you have 5 or more ranks in Survival, you get a +2 bonus on Knowledge (nature) checks.
If you have 5 or more ranks in Knowledge (dungeoneering), you get a +2 bonus on Survival checks made while underground.
If you have 5 or more ranks in Knowledge (nature), you get a +2 bonus on Survival checks in aboveground natural environments (aquatic, desert, forest, hill, marsh, mountains, and plains).
If you have 5 or more ranks in Knowledge (geography), you get a +2 bonus on Survival checks made to keep from getting lost or to avoid natural hazards.
If you have 5 or more ranks in Knowledge (the planes), you get a +2 bonus on Survival checks made while on other planes.
If you have 5 or more ranks in Search, you get a +2 bonus on Survival checks to find or follow tracks.


below is the specifics of the craft and profession skills

CRAFT (INT)
Like Knowledge, Perform, and Profession, Craft is actually a number of separate skills. You could have several Craft skills, each with its own ranks, each purchased as a separate skill.
A Craft skill is specifically focused on creating something. If nothing is created by the endeavor, it probably falls under the heading of a Profession skill.
Check: You can practice your trade and make a decent living, earning about half your check result in gold pieces per week of dedicated work. You know how to use the tools of your trade, how to perform the craft’s daily tasks, how to supervise untrained helpers, and how to handle common problems. (Untrained laborers and assistants earn an average of 1 silver piece per day.)
The basic function of the Craft skill, however, is to allow you to make an item of the appropriate type. The DC depends on the complexity of the item to be created. The DC, your check results, and the price of the item determine how long it takes to make a particular item. The item’s finished price also determines the cost of raw materials.
In some cases, the fabricate spell can be used to achieve the results of a Craft check with no actual check involved. However, you must make an appropriate Craft check when using the spell to make articles requiring a high degree of craftsmanship.
A successful Craft check related to woodworking in conjunction with the casting of the ironwood spell enables you to make wooden items that have the strength of steel.
When casting the spell minor creation, you must succeed on an appropriate Craft check to make a complex item.
All crafts require artisan’s tools to give the best chance of success. If improvised tools are used, the check is made with a –2 circumstance penalty. On the other hand, masterwork artisan’s tools provide a +2 circumstance bonus on the check.
To determine how much time and money it takes to make an item, follow these steps.
1. Find the item’s price. Put the price in silver pieces (1 gp = 10 sp).
2. Find the DC from the table below.
3. Pay one-third of the item’s price for the cost of raw materials.
4. Make an appropriate Craft check representing one week’s work. If the check succeeds, multiply your check result by the DC. If the result × the DC equals the price of the item in sp, then you have completed the item. (If the result × the DC equals double or triple the price of the item in silver pieces, then you’ve completed the task in one-half or one-third of the time. Other multiples of the DC reduce the time in the same manner.) If the result × the DC doesn’t equal the price, then it represents the progress you’ve made this week. Record the result and make a new Craft check for the next week. Each week, you make more progress until your total reaches the price of the item in silver pieces.
If you fail a check by 4 or less, you make no progress this week.
If you fail by 5 or more, you ruin half the raw materials and have to pay half the original raw material cost again.
Progress by the Day: You can make checks by the day instead of by the week. In this case your progress (check result × DC) is in copper pieces instead of silver pieces.
Creating Masterwork Items: You can make a masterwork item—a weapon, suit of armor, shield, or tool that conveys a bonus on its use through its exceptional craftsmanship, not through being magical. To create a masterwork item, you create the masterwork component as if it were a separate item in addition to the standard item. The masterwork component has its own price (300 gp for a weapon or 150 gp for a suit of armor or a shield) and a Craft DC of 20. Once both the standard component and the masterwork component are completed, the masterwork item is finished. Note: The cost you pay for the masterwork component is one-third of the given amount, just as it is for the cost in raw materials.
Repairing Items: Generally, you can repair an item by making checks against the same DC that it took to make the item in the first place. The cost of repairing an item is one-fifth of the item’s price.

When you use the Craft skill to make a particular sort of item, the DC for checks involving the creation of that item are typically as given on the following table.

Item Craft Skill Craft DC
Acid Alchemy1 15
Alchemist’s fire, smokestick, or tindertwig Alchemy1 20
Antitoxin, sunrod, tanglefoot bag, or thunderstone Alchemy1 25
Armor or shield Armorsmithing 10 + AC bonus
Longbow or shortbow Bowmaking 12
Composite longbow or composite shortbow Bowmaking 15
Composite longbow or composite shortbow with high strength rating Bowmaking 15 + (2 × rating)
Crossbow Weaponsmithing 15
Simple melee or thrown weapon Weaponsmithing 12
Martial melee or thrown weapon Weaponsmithing 15
Exotic melee or thrown weapon Weaponsmithing 18
Mechanical trap Trapmaking Varies2
Very simple item (wooden spoon) Varies 5
Typical item (iron pot) Varies 10
High-quality item (bell) Varies 15
Complex or superior item (lock) Varies 20
1 You must be a spellcaster to craft any of these items.
2 Traps have their own rules for construction.

Action: Does not apply. Craft checks are made by the day or week (see above).
Try Again: Yes, but each time you miss by 5 or more, you ruin half the raw materials and have to pay half the original raw material cost again.
Special: A dwarf has a +2 racial bonus on Craft checks that are related to stone or metal, because dwarves are especially capable with stonework and metalwork.
A gnome has a +2 racial bonus on Craft (alchemy) checks because gnomes have sensitive noses.
You may voluntarily add +10 to the indicated DC to craft an item. This allows you to create the item more quickly (since you’ll be multiplying this higher DC by your Craft check result to determine progress). You must decide whether to increase the DC before you make each weekly or daily check.
To make an item using Craft (alchemy), you must have alchemical equipment and be a spellcaster. If you are working in a city, you can buy what you need as part of the raw materials cost to make the item, but alchemical equipment is difficult or impossible to come by in some places. Purchasing and maintaining an alchemist’s lab grants a +2 circumstance bonus on Craft (alchemy) checks because you have the perfect tools for the job, but it does not affect the cost of any items made using the skill.
Synergy: If you have 5 ranks in a Craft skill, you get a +2 bonus on Appraise checks related to items made with that Craft skill.


PROFESSION (WIS; TRAINED ONLY)
Like Craft, Knowledge, and Perform, Profession is actually a number of separate skills. You could have several Profession skills, each with its own ranks, each purchased as a separate skill. While a Craft skill represents ability in creating or making an item, a Profession skill represents an aptitude in a vocation requiring a broader range of less specific knowledge.
Check: You can practice your trade and make a decent living, earning about half your Profession check result in gold pieces per week of dedicated work. You know how to use the tools of your trade, how to perform the profession’s daily tasks, how to supervise helpers, and how to handle common problems.
Action: Not applicable. A single check generally represents a week of work.
Try Again: Varies. An attempt to use a Profession skill to earn an income cannot be retried. You are stuck with whatever weekly wage your check result brought you. Another check may be made after a week to determine a new income for the next period of time. An attempt to accomplish some specific task can usually be retried.
Untrained: Untrained laborers and assistants (that is, characters without any ranks in Profession) earn an average of 1 silver piece per day.

Ooooh, I think I get it. Let me rethink what's going on. Since she's a cleric, I don't think I need alchemy - but it also depends on what she was before she joined with Evening Glory. *sigh* I haven't even bothered with a back story yet.

Well, seeing as she has only got a +2 in both Craft and Profession - I would say - Craft (Herbalist) and Profession (Apothecary).

Let's see if I got it right this time

it'd be good to have an herbalist with us, in case corwin gets sick he can have real remedies instead of quack pirate ones

LMAO....

Nah, yeah, I got nuttin.

rum doesn't ALWAYS fix everything...